No equal sympathy for citizen criminals?
I’ve been made aware of recent comments from people concerned about the Sheriff “breaking up families” by arresting illegal aliens who have committed additional state crimes. I would like to clarify one thing about “breaking up families” of people who have committed crimes in my community.
The recent arrests that some are apparently so upset about are absolutely no different than those of US citizens who commit crimes and are in my jail. They too have family situations and I don’t hear any crying from their families or any others!
It is what it is - if you commit a crime in Butler County, know that Lady Justice wears a blindfold.
All I see and hear are people who have committed crimes. It doesn’t matter who they are or where they come from - Lady Justice is blind.
“The recent arrests that some are apparently so upset about are absolutely no different than those of US citizens who commit crimes and are in my jail.”
How arent they different? Most of the “Illegal Aliens” that you arrested didn’t have any criminal record. Their only “crime” was to be working illegaly in the United States to feed their families. Comparing that to US citizens or Legal Aliens of other nationalities that are in jail for rapes, murders and narcotics is absurd.
Sheriff Jones don’t be so blind with arrogance that you can’t face reality. Our immigration laws are broken and arresting people that haven’t commit any crime and are working just so they can feed their families is wrong and wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
[Moderator note:] In addition to being in the country illegally, some were charged with felonies such as identity theft, tampering with records, and forgery.
The difference between the recent arrest and the arrests of us citizens is that once the illegals serve their time in your justice system they get sent back to their county. Their family is left behind.. US citizens get released and stay here so you are breaking up families. Most of the illegal immigrates are here to better their life and make a better life for their families. You should let the federal government do their job, and you stick to your job. I think in your cursade to inforce immigration laws you have neglected your duties as sheriff. Clean up your own back yard before you start on someone else’s… Why don’t you try changing the law to make it easier for them to get their papers. As it is right now it is very difficult to do so…
YES THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!
YES THEY ARE TAGGING UP EVERY INCH OF MY CITY!!!
YES THEY ARE SUCKING THE CONSTITUTION DRY!!!!
YES THEY ARE SHOWERING AMERICANS WITH NARCOTICS!!!
THEY ARE RAPING!!!
THEY ARE MURDERING!!!!
OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY IS BROKEN ONLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT ENFORCED!!!
And the 14 amendment to MY country’s bill of rights DOES NOT grant automatic birthright citizenship! So there’s no family to split in most cases.
The fraying tether of sniveling little clichés (feeding families, just working, woe is me, blah, blah) is failing!
GET THE ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT NOW!!!!!!! TODAY!!!
NOW!!!!!!
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Eric Jones,
Our immigrations laws are broken when we allowed twelve or more illegal alliens into our country to do jobs that most of the us wouldn’t do. We let them into our country and allowed them to live, work and raise their families for years. Our goverment never did anything to prevent it because they knew that it was needed it. And now that we think that we don’t need them we think that we can start enforcing the immigration laws and deport everyone?
Guess what thats not going to happen for many reasons and mainly because its just wrong. Most of those people that are already here have sons, daughters that were born in the U.S and don’t speak any other language than english or know any other country than the U.S. Many of these people have lived in the U.S for five, ten, fifteen or more years
I agree with you that we have to arrest and then deport all the illegal aliens that have committed crimes. but we need to find a solution for all the people already here that haven’t ever commit any crime and work hard and pay taxes and deporting them is not one of them.
Robert Kennedy and Anonymous -
Feeding their family? Spare ME. I suppose if they were out robbing people at gunpoint in an effort to feed their family, or worked at a place and stold money in an effort to feed their family, then the person should be arrested, maybe, but the family should be allowed to keep the stolen money, right? I get it… you want their family supported? Send them money enough to go back to their OWN country and make positive changes THERE instead of them bringing their third world degradation here to the US illegally.
I wish you illegal immigrant sympathizers would take all of the illegals with you and get the hell OUT. Period.
I support the enforcement of the law. I am concerned though with the fear instilled within our Hispanic community. I understand the strategy around gaining respect by force which then sends a message to future illegals, but what about those who are legal? Does the legal Hispanic community feel as safe as I do in Butler County? Are the legal immigrants encouraged to come here to partake in economic development by their freedom granted from the United States? Or do they feel downtrodden and discouraged? These and many other questions are what we in Butler County should be asking this community. Furthermore, it would be irresponsible not to have a continual relationship with them. They are a very important piece to our community. If a healthy, positive line of communication is not upheld then there are some further issues this community needs to address. Is there a consistent contact with this population? If there were it would be encouraging, but I am unaware. Sheriff, we know how you are dealing with the illegal immigrants, but how are you handling the rights of those in the Hispanic community who are legal? Just a thought, thanks for all you do.
To Eric Jones if you go back and read your constitution it does give birth rights. If a person is born in the U.S.A they are american citizens. If what you say is true then all of the people born here are illegals and need to go back to their county….
I agree with the Sheriff. It is time for the bleeding hearts to really examine the situation we are in now. These people who have “famillies” here and are themselves illegal, did a real disservice to their wives and children. They knowingly came here, breaking the law, and then want everyone to feel sorry for them! I dont.
“Feeding their family? Spare ME. I suppose if they were out robbing people at gunpoint in an effort to feed their family, or worked at a place and stold money in an effort to feed their family, then the person should be arrested, maybe, but the family should be allowed to keep the stolen money, right?”
No. You keep making false assumptions about me. Calm down and then post something that has at least any logic to it. If you go in for argument, take care of your temper. Your logic, If you have any, will take care of itself.
“I get it… you want their family supported? Send them money enough to go back to their OWN country and make positive changes THERE instead of them bringing their third world degradation here to the US illegally.”
No. Where you see “third world degradation” I see human being trying to make a better future for their families. Unfortunally your statements are full of hate and bigotry. The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the more it will contract.
“I wish you illegal immigrant sympathizers would take all of the illegals with you and get the hell OUT. Period.”
I dont consider myself an illegal sympathizer just a normal person that strongly believes that If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion. Maybe you should try it instead of telling everyone that doesn’t agree with you to leave “your” country.
Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist. What is it about the word illegal that the sympathizers don’t understand? I have never heard a valid argument why illegal aliens have a right to anything that I or my ancestors have worked and payed for in this country.I will do anything in my limited power to limit your freedoms ,the hand outs,and expidite your return to the third world country you came from. I’m proud of America and I’m tired of seeing it destroyed by Illegal immigration,gutless polititions,and corrupt businessmen.
Just to sprinkle a little light over darkness:
1. “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof†That pesky little phrase obviously denies automatic birthright citizenship to trespasser progeny.
All is not lost though. All you have to do, is just “misinterpret†the parts of the law that don’t mesh with your particular lifestyle. Poof! Usted es un ciudadano.
2. “WE†didn’t advocate this government/corporate lawlessness. “WE†didn’t allow these (calm down, big guy) people to break through our national windows when our national doors have been graciously open. “WE†don’t need these folks to clean, fluff, roof, drywall, cook, wash, pick or anything else. BUT “WE†are being forced to remedy this outrage, as is evident by the good Sheriff’s stance.
3. Illegal immigrants are criminals (hence the description illegal). To reject this truth is a grotesquely… silly denial.
4. Hyphenated community fear? Lack of Hyphenated community outreach? Yep, I’ve felt it. Speeding restrictions make me feel downtrodden and discouraged as a Driving-American. Commit then, the law to the flames, right? As I said, grotesquely silly.
“Hyphenated community fear? Lack of Hyphenated community outreach? Yep, I’ve felt it. Speeding restrictions make me feel downtrodden and discouraged as a Driving-American. Commit then, the law to the flames, right? As I said, grotesquely silly.”
I am not sure Mr. Jones if you have forgotten that it is not your right to drive. It is your privilege. So, any feeling of discouragement concerning your status as a “Driving-American” compared to a documented legal Hispanic American is absurd. Moreover, if you are trying to justify anything that is close to an equality between an issue with a fixed characteristic-one’s race or nationality-and a variable characteristic-one’s privilege to drive-then your argument is faulty and needs to be revisited.
I hear it from some of the nicest people one would ever meet. Some dear friends of mine, whom I respect very much, say that all illegal immigrants are criminals because they broke the laws that control who may come into this country. And since these immigrants are criminals, we don’t want that kind of person here.
Such accusations confuse what is legal with what is moral. American history is filled with people who broke unjust laws and were morally justified in doing so.
The American Revolution was fought by men and women who broke the laws of England and of King George III. Had they been arrested, they would have been hanged for treason to the Crown. If breaking the law makes one a criminal, then the Founding Fathers were all criminals. But no one still believes that today.
Dred Scott and thousands of other slaves defied the Fugitive Slave Act and ran away, “stealing themselves†from Southern plantation masters in the early and mid 1800s. Those who were arrested were returned to their slave “owners,†and anyone found trying to help them escape to Canada was prosecuted as well.
Many juries exercised jury nullification. Declaring that the law was unjust, juries often refused to convict participants in the Underground Railroad. No one today would claim that a runaway slave was a criminal.
In the 1930s there were hundreds of Jews who came to American shores aboard the SS St. Louis, forcibly rejected under the guise of immigration quotas, many of whom ultimately perished in Hitler’s concentration camps. Countless potential immigrants watched in desperate disappointment.
But suppose those passengers had defied immigration law and jumped ship in Miami harbor. Would anyone today call them criminals? I think not. Indeed, those who returned Jews to their persecutors might be considered guilty of collaborating with villainy — albeit legal villainy.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503h.asp
keep up the good work sheriff. from time to time i get to use the net so the first place i check is your site to see what your up to. talk to you soon.
your son
rick jr
To The “MODERATOR” You say some of the people arrested at koch food were charged with felonies…. There were 180 or so arrested but only 20 were held on charges the rest were released so Robert’s comment is right not all illegals are here to commit crimes…
Moderator - Speaking only on my own behalf I would reply that coming into this country illegally is a crime.
Attn: Robert Kennedy
Re: Your Confession of October 6, 2007
Dear Sir,
The fact that you would ordain a specific category of people and declare them worthy of divine privileges and simultaneously characterize separate categories of people as inherently evil, distinguishes you as a pathetic, confused, and pitifully ignorant racist.
Joe P. Bartee
We all should strive to improve our circumstances. Simply seeing to it that our families are adequately fed is critical but by no means exclusive to achieving a higher standard of living. If we were to rely solely on the depictions of those more sympathetic to the illegal aliens, we would likely envision them as angelic figures scurrying to and fro without pause, desperately staving off starvation, and that returning them to their points of origin constitutes some form of cruel and unusual punishment, punctuated with the destruction of families. Physical distances are more negotiable than the more common causes for a lack of family unity.
A “criminal record†and a “criminal history†are only slightly different concepts. By current legal standards in the United States, illegal immigrants establish a criminal history the moment they purposely conspire to enter or remain in this country in direct violation of our laws. This does not become a matter of record until they are apprehended, but their activities do not consist of a single violation.
What becomes of civil liberties when the selective enforcement of the law is tolerated? Law enforcement officials, particularly those responsible for establishing policy, have strict and clearly defined parameters within which to work. They are all personally liable as well as subject to criminal prosecution if they are found to be in dereliction of their duty.
Attempting to resolve the illegal immigration crisis must not be confused with prejudice or racism. Anyone attempting to perpetuate such confusion is doing so at the expense of those who have been and continue to be discriminated against.
Joe P. Bartee
Illegal immigrants establish a criminal history the minute enter or remain in this country in direct violation of our laws, which does not become a matter of “criminal record†until they are convicted. Attempting to excuse an illegal immigrant who has been arrested by stating that there only crime is being in this country illegally, is as if to say that being arrested is any other criminal’s only crime.
Law enforcement officials have strict and clearly defined parameters within which to work. Once it becomes known to them, much less common knowledge in the communities they serve, that a crime has been or is being committed, they have no alternative but to intervene
“Illegal immigration it’s not a crime, I know that’s very hard for people to understand, but it’s not a federal crime.
I was U.S. attorney in the Southern district of New York. So believe me, I know this. In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it’s not a criminal proceeding. It’s a civil proceeding.
Illegal immigration shouldn’t be a crime, either, No, it shouldn’t be because the government wouldn’t be able to prosecute it. We couldn’t prosecute 12 million people. We have only 2 million people in jail right now for all the crimes that are committed in the country, 2.5 million.”
Quoted from an interview to Rudy Giuliani with CNN Headline News.
To all who are keeping up with this site… and the blogs… Have you wondered, or have you even heard that during the last Bust at Koch Foods there were a dozen or more who were locked in the freezer and has to be rushed to the hospital for hyperthermia? Mr. Jones, I know you were aware of this… yet; did you come through with that part of the truth? You have come forward with other tid-bits of this project you were involved in.
Please don’t be blinded by the fact that they are here illegally. Accept the fact that they are here and now we need to do something about it. Best for now and future, Congress needs to step forward and create an exception law (this is not unheard of, after all look at Regan. He did it will in office, he just didn’t put anything in place for the future people wanting to further their lives in the land of the free.)
Think about this, if we were to remove all of the Hispanics from Butler County alone, who is going to pay for the prices which will be raised on everything you see, touch, eat, and so on? After all, companies are not about to lose money due to a shortage of people who are here to purchase. And to all those companies who depend on Hispanic people, (ie: Restaurants, Hotels, Motels, Grocery Stores, and Factories just to name a few) what are they going to do?
You can’t just wave a magic wand and make everyone go back to their originating country. Our economy would crash as well as everything else around us.
I encourage you to have an open mind and educate yourself about the decisions you are making as 2008 elections are coming up quicker than we realize it.
Is that when you will figure out that your Sheriff does not have a background in Law Enforcement, but in Corrections? Is that when you will comprehend that your Sheriff has yet to personally arrest anyone? He has yet to pull a “beat�
Thank goodness Mexico doesn’t hold a grudge against the United States (remember that little invoice your Sheriff sent??) or who else would we call on to help us with the fires in California? Mexico stepped forward to help us out during this crisis before Ohio did. Where was Sheriff Jones? I can tell you were he was NOT and that was not beside a Hispanic from Mexico fighting the fires out there.
Open your mind, your eyes, and show you have intelligence. Know who you are supporting and know what the real issues and consequences will be are before you act!
the 14 amendment as written does not give citizenship to children borne in america of non citizen parents.read the comments of senators who wrote and voted for 14 they say the opposite of to day’s interpretation.the anchor baby concept is a liberal misinterpretation of the 14 and it is time we remedy this foolishness.
Hola, “What are you thinking?”
Thanks for supplying the name for the project that should and WILL happen – “Operation: Magic Wand.â€
¡SÃ! ¡Es tremendo! Just like 1954.
Anyway, the phrase every American should live by, regarding this historical encroachment is:
“So be it!†It’s a painfully simple unanswerable smack-down to any of this lawless gibberish.
My American-made BLT sandwich goes up a few cents? (no, lets make it a few dollars for effect)
So be it!
Pay more for my American-made roof or my American-crafted landscaping?
So be it!
So-and-so business suffers do to lack of American patronage?
C’mon, say it with me. So be it!
Our economy tanks and I’m left living in a corrugated cardboard lean-to, cold dandelion soup for breakfast, quick shower in a pond then jump into a pair of American-made potato sack jeans?
So be it!
Mexican grudges?
So be it!
Get it? None of your hastily manufactured threats work! AMERICANS KNOW TOO MUCH, NOW! Annoying, isn’t it.
ANY of your science-fiction projections for MY country should be welcomed with a big ol’ bear-hug, were they illegal alien free!
So C’mon all you undocumented folk! Give us “uneducated†American Neanderthals your best. I dare you. Leave us floundering in our own economic squalor!
Man, that would really “open our minds and eyes!” Boy howdy!
Consequences? So be it!
Eric: WOW! Did you miss the message??? or are you just too blind to look at the whole picture??? They are here. We, as a government, can NOT prosecute 20+million people!!! Do you have any idea what that would cost??? How it would tie up the court systems??
Our Congress and President know that they can’t get everyone to leave all at the same time. If they could, they would have put something into place by now… Just like your Sheriff Jones knows. After all, this isn’t a new crisis. It has been going on for many, many years… It is only new to this part of the country.
An intelligent person would read my comments and know that what is put there is factual.
Eric, do you realize that New York has a driver’s license for undocumented people here?
Here is even something better for you and your small town thinking to ponder on…
New poll indicates Americans support legalization of aliens here illegally
A new CNN-Opinion Research Corporation poll shows overwhelming support for a legal avenue to allow aliens illegally present in the United States to get legal status if they have a job and pay back taxes.
The poll of 1,218 adults conducted nationwide from April 10-12, asked the question: “Would you favor or oppose creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes?”
Seventy-seven percent of those polled responded favorably to that statement, while 21 percent were opposed, with 2 percent “unsure.”
Court orders delay on illegal worker rules
On Oct. 1, a federal judge in San Francisco yesterday extended for 10 days a temporary ban on a central measure in the Bush administration’s campaign to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
After a two-hour hearing, the judge, Charles R. Breyer of Federal District Court, strongly suggested that he was leaning against the government in the case.
The ban further delayed the start of a rule, which establishes steps an employer must follow after receiving a notice from the Social Security Administration, known as a no-match letter, reporting that an employee’s identity information does not match the agency’s records.
According to the rule, originally scheduled to take effect Sept. 14, if the employee cannot clarify the mismatch within 90 days, the employer would be required to fire the worker or risk prosecution for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. Those immigrants often provide false Social Security numbers when applying for jobs. - Excerpt from an article written by Julia Preston and published October 2, 2007, in The New York Times.
I asked you to educate yourself… I guess I will have to help you do that. Open your eyes!!!
Moderator - This is a blog not a forum. The intention is for people to comment on the Sheriff’s topic or the job the Sheriff is doing. Please refrain from using this blog a place for debate.
Moderator,
My apologies for abusing your blog.
I guess in a heated debate on the subject of respecting law, rules of a blog are no exception.
Anyway, I enjoy your site.
Attn: Mr. “What are you thinking?â€
What am I thinking? I think you believe our economy will come to a grinding halt unless we surrender to lawlessness. Would you advocate abolishing laws if enough people violate them? Should crime be tolerated if the proceeds might contribute to the economy?
Criminals are frequently injured while attempting to evade law enforcement. I’m sure the Freezer People at Koch weren’t locked in. You failed to emphasize the fact that those who required emergency medical services were accommodated promptly, and at the Taxpayer’s expense.
Attacking Sheriff Jones’s integrity for enforcing laws you find objectionable indicates that you truly lack perspective. The man didn’t draft the law; he swore an oath to uphold it.
You declare others contributing to this site unintelligent if you disagree with them, yet you lack the candor to include your real name.
Joe P. Bartee
Joe P Bartee, as the mediator has so elegantly put it before “This is a blog not a forum. The intention is for people to comment on the Sheriff’s topic or the job the Sheriff is doing. Please refrain from using this blog a place for debate.” so I trust you read that, comprehended it and yet you still attack. Even more interesting – when the Mediator sees someone’s comments uplift your Sheriff – there is no comment.
In answer to your issue: “You declare others contributing to this site unintelligent…â€
Actually I don’t. I consider them either misinformed, blinded by the “Star†factor of your Sheriff or uneducated on the REAL issues; thus the reason I do my best to open the eyes of the community.
In answer to you “I think you believe our economy will come to a grinding halt unless we surrender to lawlessness“- First and foremost you have to realize exactly how many people you are talking about Hispanics are the largest minority in the United States, with an estimated population of 41.3 million. They are estimated to grow by more than 1.7 million a year. (Source: U.S. Census Bureau) And those were only the ones they could find! Tell me you do not believe that if we lost that many people in our country it wouldn’t have an impact.
Then you have to ask yourself – Sheriff Jones – who has yet to arrest anyone – yet he leads a crusade to rid the United States “illegal†residence yet neglects major crimes in the city where his office is located, bars his officers from running for election and holding other offices while under his command and who isn’t looking to get things in congress passed to help our county – but is looking for the lime light instead.
• Sheriff, Butler County, Ohio, 2005-present
• Chief Deputy, Butler County Sheriff’s Office, 1993-2005
• Major, Lebanon Correctional Institute, 1990-1993
To address - Criminals are frequently injured while attempting to evade law enforcement. I’m sure the Freezer People at Koch weren’t locked in. Unfortunately, the freezers there – which have been sited in the past – only have one way locks. However, that didn’t seem to concern your Sheriff enough to have them sited them again. This has been a complaint of the employees there for sometime.
As for the comment you made - Attacking Sheriff Jones’s integrity for enforcing laws you find objectionable indicates that you truly lack perspective. Lack of perspective?? That is funny you should say that – you addressed me as Mr. (a male) and in reality I am a working, college educated, multi county traveled female. This instance will also show your small town mindset.
Lastly, because this has gone on too long already – in your comment - The man didn’t draft the law; he swore an oath to uphold it. You are correct, however when he took office he swore to uphold and ENFORCE ALL of the laws. Not to pick and choose which should receive special attention. Let’s take a look – Population in Hamilton -2006 62,130 people were accounted for – Out of those people 88% are white – and only 2.6% were Hispanic 1,319 residents are foreign born (1.4% Latin America, 0.4% Asia, 0.3% Europe). The national average is 3%. Within the city where his office and jail resides: Murder/Rape/Robbery/Assault/Burglary/Larceny/Auto Theft 4,940 incidences. This is only in the city where his office is… Imagine if we looked at all the other cities he is the Sheriff over. There is basically an 8% chance – if you live in the city where his office is that you will become a victim to one of the crimes I have listed above. Again, that is only in the city where his office and jail are… Those odds are too high for me and perhaps after putting that into perspective – it may be too high for others reading this too.
Good luck to you and expressing your opinions on here. I hope I have educated you a little.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Hamilton-Ohio.html
P.S. You don’t have to put your name - you don’t even have to list the source but I have done 1/2 of what you requested - the rest - just know that I am an educated Female who knows where to look to find the facts.
(FYI - The Butler County Sheriff’s Office does not typically investigate crimes within the city of Hamilton. The City of Hamilton has an Investigations Unit which investigates crimes within the city.)
Dear Sheriff,
Your commercials on t.v. are halarious. I cant believe you have a website devoted to yourself. Im glad you have all this time to sit on your *** and make commercials and make your own website. I feel safer now knowing you have all this spare time.
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Some of u are just racist ie (republicans & sheriff butler) these people (illegal aliens) just came for money to feed their families and some for criminal reasons but you got to understand that every race does it its the illegals that break laws is all you here on tv and it makes you think like sheriff butler (ignorant B-tard) that aliens kill people and other crimes but you must see the other side of the race to understand them the peaceful people that will work for the jobs that you would’nt work at! Some just can’t take the rascism and turn to criminals but those who don’t i applaud to cause u got to thjink like u were in there shoes being discriminated against there good people that you don’t here about but all you here about is the bad ones something is wrong with some americans this is just a racial issue
we need to build a fence through the whole border and end this plus deport all the criminals that arn’t citizens the others don’t hurt nobody all you here about is the ones who commit crimes which is a small percentage of them all they do jobs that none of us would do such as cleaning bird crap off new york sky scrapers your landscaping building sheriff butlers office and heck building this website for a couple bucks
we need to build a fence through the whole border and end this plus deport all the criminals that arn’t citizens the others don’t hurt nobody all you here about is the ones who commit crimes which is a small percentage of them all they do jobs that none of us would do such as cleaning bird crap off new york sky scrapers your landscaping building sheriff butlers office and heck building this website for a couple bucks
i think jones should run for president he has my vote,keep up the good work.why don’t you come to middletown and straighten it up